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| How much would you be willing to pay for Poker Den access for one season? |
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:01 am
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Brown Poker Shark

Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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All the ideas and mods all revolve around money, so perhaps we should come up with ways to raise additional funds for the game and to help Lynx out.
Currently, the Poker Den is a mere 5 pounds...or just .05/day. Cheap! Would you be willing to pay more for Poker Den access? Reply to the poll above.
Can you think of other ways to raise money? Maybe a "Donate Now!" button on the game somewhere and on the blog. Maybe incorporate a way to purchase more skill or more chances at the skills game....i.e. limit 1/week or 1/month or something so it doesn't get out of hand. Some would probably pay 50 pounds to buy skill so they could win...so it'd definitely need to be limited. This wouldn't be a huge advantage (but some) to the players but would raise a few bucks.
Any other ideas? |
Last edited by ButterflySis on Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:11 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ - Jen
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:58 am
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Brown Poker Shark

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Location: Liverpool UK
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i also had the idea of raising the pokerden membership a little to help towards costs of better prizes. I wanna pokersharks purse lol
i suggested £7/£7.50 |
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:32 am
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CREATOR

Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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At the moment a good way of 'donating' whilst getting something in return is to either buy advertising, or buy some wristbands.  |
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:41 am
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Red Poker Shark

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Location: Wales
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think the donate now button is a better option, some of the younger members might be put off paying more or quite simply not aford it and would be a shame to lose contributing members already in the fold, I for one if saw a donate button would happily throw a few extra pennies into the pot every now and again.
Buying skill from my experience in games (I have played a free online game for over 2 years now with thousands of loyal fans and they brought in a similar idea that you can pay to make the game better for you) and it caused uproar and alot of people left, primerrily down to the fact that it took away skill and replaced it with how much money do you have, thats not to say it a silly idea not at all just from my own experience have seen what it can do negativly.
I have also been involved with another online gaming clan for the last 5 years and we play first person shooters, play competetivly in europe and have our own game servers/ts channel/forums and we have never charged a suscription fee and soley relied on donations it has been very hard at times to keep it all going (it really isn't cheap to have all this I'm sure Lynx will agree) so charging a reasonable suscription here is a great idea and offering those who wish to contribute a little more would work well in my opinion.
The more ideas people come up with the better.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:56 am
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Red Poker Shark

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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Again this seems to be more an issue of actual numbers.
There seems to be about 100 active playeres at the moment, out of which maybe only 30 are Poker den members .
This is a tiny figure and is amazing that you are able to run things atall on this budget ( well done lynx ).
It seems that as this is a small community it would be good to bang heads and come up with ideas that will increase the general population of PS.
Unfortunately at the moment I am stumped , but will try and email link to anyone and everyone.......... I would recommend we all do the same, word of mouth can be pretty powerful advertising.
Finally for anyone who is not using Poker den, WHY!!!!!!
It is a fun game without it, but it is neccessary to get anywhere in the rankings! there must be afew budding blizzo or nakds out there, pay for PD and find out.. |
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:27 am
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Red Poker Shark

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Nice Work Dabe.
I'm already posting into our gaming forums which have access to a few hundred people I'm sure I can get a few more interested there.
P.S Dabe Like the Banner matey, one of my fav characters from any game I've ever played
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:46 am
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I WON THIS THING ONCE

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Good Thread Jen, maybe Lynx can incorporate you into his publicity machine..............
A suggestion and it would need to be someone who already has this, but the likes of YOUTUBE or FACEBOOK, could hold a small 1 minute video clip of PokerSharks, surely.....
...These outlets dont mind what is advertised on them in the way of movies, something Lynx has mentioned b4 in the way of spamming and the traffic they get is huge.
Maybe someone with the skills to set this up or is already familiar with how it all works , could spend an hour or so putting it together and we could then all watch it and send the ''live'' link, to all our own buddies and workmates.........
Id gladly do it, but have no idea how to......could be fun trying though.
Just a thought that may help...........
The Iceman
PS.just incidentally Lynx, the advert boes that are up for grabs, are there 4, or do they chanhge per page, ill pass it round anyone i know to see if there is any interest, but a susual with internet ads, they always wanna know stats etc........cheers. |
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:46 pm
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Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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| JenJen wrote: |
| All the ideas and mods all revolve around money, so perhaps we should come up with ways to raise additional funds for the game and to help Lynx out. |
Cheers JenJen , its support like this that will help the site an enormous amount.
| Spindry wrote: |
| think the donate now button is a better option, some of the younger members might be put off paying more or quite simply not aford it and would be a shame to lose contributing members already in the fold, I for one if saw a donate button would happily throw a few extra pennies into the pot every now and again. |
Well thats interesting, i never thought donate buttons ever got much love, maybe i was wrong. One thing to be aware of though, PayPal take a minimum of 25p then its 3% from there on, so if you were to give 30p, Id only get ~4p of it . I think ill get a donete button up there though, and maybe just indicate what the PayPal cut is so people should donate £1 once rather than 10p ten times for me to actually see any of it.
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| Buying skill from my experience in games (I have played a free online game for over 2 years now with thousands of loyal fans and they brought in a similar idea that you can pay to make the game better for you) and it caused uproar and alot of people left, primerrily down to the fact that it took away skill and replaced it with how much money do you have, thats not to say it a silly idea not at all just from my own experience have seen what it can do negativly. |
This is why its difficult to put a fee on things that aren't essential, but give boosts for money. At the moment you can get all the advantages everyone else has for £5 per season which gives everyone a fair shot. Anymore than this and i can already see the posts about the top people only winning because they paid more. It's a very dodgey area to venture into, and one i doubt very much ill be doing.
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| Currently, the Poker Den is a mere 5 pounds...or just .05/day. Cheap! Would you be willing to pay more for Poker Den access? Reply to the poll above. |
I agree, its very good value considering you can spen hours and hours a day here, all for 5p per day. The problem is though, if we look at the figures dabe has highlighted:
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Again this seems to be more an issue of actual numbers.
There seems to be about 100 active playeres at the moment, out of which maybe only 30 are Poker den members .
This is a tiny figure and is amazing that you are able to run things atall on this budget ( well done lynx ). |
I dont like talking money but seeing as its pretty obvious we may as well. The ~30 poker den members all pay £5 per season (some £15, but we'll ignore that for now), and at the moment thats it, that = £150. If I was to double the price of poker den id probably lose some members but still make around £200-£250. It doesnt really make much difference in the scheme of things. Rather than pay me an extra £5 i would much rather you harrassed a mate so much they signed up and paid. More players = more traffic = more money.
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A suggestion and it would need to be someone who already has this, but the likes of YOUTUBE or FACEBOOK, could hold a small 1 minute video clip of PokerSharks, surely.....
...These outlets dont mind what is advertised on them in the way of movies, something Lynx has mentioned b4 in the way of spamming and the traffic they get is huge. |
Well this is free so its perfect. Was watching the gadget show last night and the guy did an experiment of putting a video on YouTube of him doing the 'Worm Dance' on there and seeing how many views he got. After 2 weeks he had over 2 million hits, really quite amazing what can happen if you have a unique video. We would need something really weird and funny though. The more stupid the idea sounds and the less it sounds like it would work the better - they seem to be the videos that do well on YouTube that I've seen.
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| PS.just incidentally Lynx, the advert boes that are up for grabs, are there 4, or do they chanhge per page, ill pass it round anyone i know to see if there is any interest, but a susual with internet ads, they always wanna know stats etc........cheers |
There are 5 ads in total, although one is taken with the wristbands ad at the moment. These are the same per page, so will get total exposure as players navigate the game and poker room. As for stats, the ad i put on the game has been clicked over 100 times in the last 4 days if that carried on for the next 26 days we'd be at ~650 clicks all for £10 per month working out at 0.65p per click which is a very low CTR (seriously low)and would easily beat just about any other advertisers out there.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:30 am
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Red Poker Shark

Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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I like the idea of a donate button, then people can donate whatever they like.
Is there a way of putting a PS banner on, for instance, Facebook or MySpace? SoccerAM forum may not be returning so I can't spread the word there. I have an idea for another forum I go on.
I've PM'ed you Lynx with an idea that just popped into my head. |
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:54 am
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Brown Poker Shark

Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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| Lynx wrote: |
Well thats interesting, i never thought donate buttons ever got much love, maybe i was wrong. One thing to be aware of though, PayPal take a minimum of 25p then its 3% from there on, so if you were to give 30p, Id only get ~4p of it . I think ill get a donete button up there though, and maybe just indicate what the PayPal cut is so people should donate £1 once rather than 10p ten times for me to actually see any of it. |
I was thinking more in pounds then pence, Lynx. I doubt anyone would go through the trouble of PayPal to donate change...but I could be wrong.
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| I don't like talking money but seeing as its pretty obvious we may as well. The ~30 poker den members all pay £5 per season (some £15, but we'll ignore that for now), and at the moment thats it, that = £150. |
You're not living out of a cardboard box are you?! Yeesh...sad numbers. Thanks to dabe who pointed out some of the other numbers too.
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| Well this is free so its perfect. Was watching the gadget show last night and the guy did an experiment of putting a video on YouTube of him doing the 'Worm Dance' on there and seeing how many views he got. After 2 weeks he had over 2 million hits, really quite amazing what can happen if you have a unique video. We would need something really weird and funny though. The more stupid the idea sounds and the less it sounds like it would work the better - they seem to be the videos that do well on YouTube that I've seen. |
Awesome idea, Icy! I like the YouTube suggestion a lot. Anyone got the skillz for that?
Facebook and MySpace seem really popular these days so that would be another good free option. (I personally HATE MySpace but for some reason 85% of the world loves it.)
Lynx, I suggested once before but I'll mention again... Similar to Toons idea above about the banners. Could you make a few different banners or buttons (different sizes or whatever) so that we can insert them in our sigs on the forums we frequent. This way we 'advertise' everytime we post and it would be much more effective than starting a single thread that will eventually roll off the main page.
Doing a search for "free internet advertising" brought up a few sites but not sure any of them are worthwhile.
I use to belong to a site where you would submit an artwork and it would be entered into a particular challenge. The site came up with the idea to rent space to the users for x-number of days for whatever the user wanted to say. You could advertise your site or just write a saying. Many of the participants would rent space to tease a competitor. It was a lot of fun going back and forth with it. Not sure it'd work well here but thought I'd toss it out.
Lots of good input so far so keep it coming! |
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:24 am
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MODERATOR BLIZZO
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DO NOT raise the price of poker den membership. I, and the faithful, are more than willing to pay more, but it will hurt the site in the long run. I can't believe I hadn't already thought of this, but a MySpace profile is a MUST. I'm more than willing to add you as one of my top friends, in fact, if you want me to, I'll even design and help run the pokersharks myspace page. Even my pizza restaurant has a myspace page, talk about 100% free advertising. It really is a good idea. Facebook is good too, although I don't use it, so someone else will have to volunteer.
Donate buttons don't always get all that much love, but what is the price of putting one up there? Its an investment that can only give positive returns, not negatives at all. One thing that can do really well for donate buttons is setting a goal (make it small at first) and then rewarding the community with something special once that goal is reached. I know a web comic that puts up an extra comic the week after the goal is reached. Pennyarcade, www.penny-arcade.com never charged a dime for viewing their amazing content, they started by asking for donations, and now make enough off advertising. Donations will pay a little, and like Myspace a button is totally free.
Good ideas here, and I'm glad so many care about the site.
Bliz
P.S. I'll try and think of some other ideas. |
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:05 pm
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| ButterflySis wrote: |
| Lynx, I suggested once before but I'll mention again... Similar to Toons idea above about the banners. Could you make a few different banners or buttons (different sizes or whatever) so that we can insert them in our sigs on the forums we frequent. This way we 'advertise' everytime we post and it would be much more effective than starting a single thread that will eventually roll off the main page. |
Sure, I'll get on designing some banners and sigs for you all to use and post them in a seperate thread.
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| I use to belong to a site where you would submit an artwork and it would be entered into a particular challenge. The site came up with the idea to rent space to the users for x-number of days for whatever the user wanted to say. You could advertise your site or just write a saying. Many of the participants would rent space to tease a competitor. It was a lot of fun going back and forth with it. Not sure it'd work well here but thought I'd toss it out. |
Well Super Pablo has done exactly that. For £10 the whole of Poker Sharks has to see him as 'the best' for the next month. Anyone can buy an ad and put whatever they want in there. So i think we already have that one covered.
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| I can't believe I hadn't already thought of this, but a MySpace profile is a MUST. I'm more than willing to add you as one of my top friends, in fact, if you want me to, I'll even design and help run the pokersharks myspace page. Even my pizza restaurant has a myspace page, talk about 100% free advertising. It really is a good idea. Facebook is good too, although I don't use it, so someone else will have to volunteer. |
If you could do a Poker Sharks MySpace page that would be amazing Blizz. I have never used MySpace and dont really get it, but i realise the potential is huge and a prescence on their would be beneficial.
Im more at home on Facebook and are already on the case for that one, details to follow.
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| One thing that can do really well for donate buttons is setting a goal (make it small at first) and then rewarding the community with something special once that goal is reached. I know a web comic that puts up an extra comic the week after the goal is reached. |
Thats a good way to motivate the donate button I suppose. Maybe the more people donate the better the prizes can be? Or the more prizes there will be - so rather than the top 10, the more money raised, the more places get prizes.
Hmm, I've got some stuff to do now... |
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:32 pm
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MODERATOR BLIZZO
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I am a bit busy at work lately, so I can't guarantee anything fantastic right off the bat, but I'll try and have a decent looking Pokersharks Myspace by the end of next week.
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Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:10 pm
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:07 pm
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Brown Poker Shark

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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ok all you sharks out there, PLEASE PLEASE HIT THAT DONATION BUTTON, its all for a good cause. where would we be without our beloved pokersharks? lol  |
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